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On Stage => Live Performances => Topic started by: Gober on 24/09/08, 14:04
Live PA, sometimes written LivePA, meaning Live Personal Appearance or Live Performance Artist is a term used to describe the act of performing, or appearing to perform, electronic music in a concert setting.
While the term "Live PA" literally means "Live Personal Appearance", a legal term originally used to protect promoters when performances are occasionally prerecorded, in common usage it refers to live performance of electronic music, via synthesizers, samplers, and sequencers.
In a performative context, the term was originally used to refer to live appearances, initially at rave events in the late 1980's, of studio based electronic dance music artists. The concept of the Live PA helped provide a public face for a scene that was criticised as faceless by the mainstream music press. The trend was quickly exploited by a music industry desperate to market dance music to a popular audience.
Execution
Performing a Live PA is an open process; there are very few pre-defined rules other than that the resulting sound/music is considered to be "electronic". Execution can range from pushing play on an audio CD while pretending to play instruments, to live keyboard playing alongside a live drummer or percussionist, and anything in between.
Generally Live PA artists use a central sequencer which triggers and controls sound generating devices like synthesizers, drum machines, samplers. The resulting audio outputs of these devices are then mixed and modified with effects using a mixing console. Interconnected drum machines and synthesizers allow the electronic Live PA artist to effectively orchestrate a single-person concert. Hand-played keyboards, hand-triggered audio samples, live vocals, and other live instruments can augment the performance as well. Some artists like Brian Transeau and Jamie Lidell utilize hardware and software tools custom-designed for live expression and improvisation.
By arranging, muting, and cueing pre-composed basic musical data (notes, loops, patterns, and sequences), the Live PA artist has the freedom to manipulate major elements of the performance and alter a song's progression in real-time.
Many Live PA artists try to combine the qualities of both traditional bands and dancefloor DJs, taking the live music element from bands, and the buildup and progression from song to song of DJs, as well as the sheer volume of music controlled by a single person (of a DJ as opposed to a band). By allowing the sequencer to handle the playing of basic musical data (as defined above), the Live PA artist can focus on controlling what is most important to the listener: the actual musical quality of what is emanating from the speakers.
From Hardware to Software
Technological progress has kept Live PAs evolving to this day. With advances in computer processing power and in software-based audio tools and instruments, the Live PA artist can pack a single laptop into a bag, go out and perform a show. This possibility creates a point of discussion, as the ability to perform one's own music live using a single, generic device creates yet another range of performative styles. On one end, a laptop-based performer has the option of simply playing a polished, premade audio file. On the other end, the performer can be creating sound completely from scratch using software-based synthesizers, sequencers, etc. Somewhere in the middle is where the majority of performance setups fall. Incredibly popular is the software tool Ableton Live. This gives a laptop-based performing artist the ability to sequence and trigger software synthesizers, external MIDI-controlled instruments, and internally-stored sampled audio clips and loops. This can all be achieved in real-time, with the resulting audio being manipulated by Ableton Live's mixer and effect processors.
The feasibility of using a laptop computer as an all-in-one electronic music creation and performance tool created a massive wave of new artists, performers, and performance events. An international contest known as the Laptop Battle has gained massive momentum and is taken very seriously.
Degree of "Liveness"
A topic of discussion amongst listeners, critics, and artists themselves is to what degree a performance is actually "live". A possible determining factor could be the degree to which the performing artist has real-time control over individual elements of the final musical output. Using this criterion, an artist who mimicks the playing of instruments whilst simply playing a CD or stereo audio track, might not be considered particularly "live" by some. On the far opposite end of the spectrum, some artists choose to take only an idea or motif (e.g. a bassline, rhythm pattern, or chord progression), realize it from scratch with electronic instruments on-the-spot, and then build upon it, modify it, and continue in this way for the entire performance. This requires a degree of discipline and creativity to achieve.
Some might argue that the visual aspect of a performance would be sufficient to call it "live". Codifying what defines "live" and what does not has been an ongoing topic of debate for many years. To date, nobody has successfully created a definition with which everyone involved seems satisfied.
Taken from Wikipedia...
Ada yang mau nambahin???
Disini masih banyak yang rancu antara Live PA dengan Decks and effects...
mungkin ada yang bisa menjelaskan lebih lanjut?
Setahu gw ya Live Perfomance Act. Jadi artis main live band electronically or using instruments. Jadi bukan band konvensional, tapi cenderung ke electronic music. IMHO...
Contohnya DJ main live pakai tambahan instrumen laptop or keyboard dll.
Bisa juga artis drum n bass yang menginterpretasikan musiknya secara live band (dengan bantuan musisi lain di panggung), you know London Elektricity and Pendulum?..
CMIIW
setuju pak
gw jg ngak bgtu ngerti apaan tuh real definitionnya....
Quote from: Kimi on 24/09/08, 14:12
setuju pak
gw jg ngak bgtu ngerti apaan tuh real definitionnya....
Mungkin kamu juga punya definisi tersendiri, seperti saya ... kan boleh2 aja ;)
one of my fav : soulwax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xouFEn8lXMY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xouFEn8lXMY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1US4QGgtsk0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1US4QGgtsk0)
ngeliat mereka live di singapore (zouk 2006) keren bgt...
notice kalo kick and snare langsung dari live drum, i like it.
kenapa yg kayak gini jarang didatengin ke jakarta ya?
Undang donk hehehe.....
tapi yang kmaren lumayan juga kok yang di sentull
btul ngak paman??
Quote from: olis on 24/09/08, 14:11
Setahu gw ya Live Perfomance Act. Jadi artis main live band electronically or using instruments. Jadi bukan band konvensional, tapi cenderung ke electronic music. IMHO...
Contohnya DJ main live pakai tambahan instrumen laptop or keyboard dll.
Bisa juga artis drum n bass yang menginterpretasikan musiknya secara live band (dengan bantuan musisi lain di panggung), you know London Elektricity and Pendulum?..
CMIIW
setuju juga gw....
emang ada contoh Live PA yang cenderung band konvensional ???
kalo Gorillaz itu termasuk ga?
;)
Gorillaz tapi di belakang layar...
contoh Live PA yang cenderung band konvensional ???
bingung deh ;D heheheh
tapi Gorillaz formatnya termasuk band konvensional kan ?? ;D ;D ;D
ya mereka band konvensional.. pop songs..
Live PA biasanya emang cuma diperuntukkan buat para musisi elektronik. Kasarnya mungkin kaya DJ tapi dengan original songs. Live PA-ers ga cuma push play beatmatch crossfade doang, tapi lebih ke composing dan performing their composition on stage ala sebuah band.
Yang diperformkan bisa aja udah dipersiapkan sebelum perform. Jadi tiap sequence dari tiap track udah dipersiapkan untuk kemudian dimainkan aransemennya secara live di panggung. Waktu gue nonton Chemical Brothers, mereka udah nyiapin MIDI sequence dari master sequencer mereka untuk kemudian dikirim ke berbagai keyboard dan sound module. Berbagai MIDI sequence dari tiap komponen lagu-lagu mereka dimash-up, jadi nggak kedengeran sama kaya lagu di CD
Pada intinya, Live PA adalah memainkan musik elektronik secara live-sequencer-based.. MIDI-implemented.. live sound-mixing.. synthetic sound generator-based (meskipun tidak mengharamkan penambahan instrumen konvensional)..
pattern, loop, lead, rhytm, sampling, master/slave, layer, midi in/out, arpeggio, adaptor, dan alat rusak adalah beberapa kata yg sering terdengar dalam dunia Live PA.. ;D
Hidup Live PA!
Hahahahaha... ;D
sebenernya konsep live pa ini ga perlu bawain lagu sendiri sih. lagu orang laen yang di remake diatas panggung juga bisa. istilahnya mungkin remix live.
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akuurr..
seperti halnya cover version dalam sebuah band..
live p.a
adalah insinyur musik..hehehe
sebab dia nyusun beat, nyusun lead, nyusun line
meramu, menyuguhkan,
idem ama wulu dan teddy *tepuktangan* *tepuktangan* *tepuktangan*
Quote from: midijunkie on 25/09/08, 04:42
Pada intinya, Live PA adalah memainkan musik elektronik secara live-sequencer-based.. MIDI-implemented.. live sound-mixing.. synthetic sound generator-based (meskipun tidak mengharamkan penambahan instrumen konvensional)..
pattern, loop, lead, rhytm, sampling, master/slave, layer, midi in/out, arpeggio, adaptor, dan alat rusak adalah beberapa kata yg sering terdengar dalam dunia Live PA.. ;D
Hidup Live PA!
Hahahahaha... ;D
jangan lupa perputaran alat juga jadi seni di dunia Live PA Indonesia
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hahaha.. itu sih kepepet ga mampu beli baru kali van..
hahahahaha..
kalo hubungan antar manusia dipisah oleh six degrees of separation, hubungan antar alat di live p.a mungkin cuma dipisah oleh two degrees of separation hehehehe...
>>Live PA: You came up with your own songs, arrangement, equipments & stuff...and played live
>>DJ (2 turntables or 2 cdjs + mixer dan repertoir orang lain) digabung dengan,katakanlah pemain gitar atau perkusi, buat gue bukan live pa. Secara fisik memang terlihat live..tapi bicara soul, that ain't live pa :P
Pardon me
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akhirnya angkat bicara.. ;D
ayo lah ajak kawan mu satu itu maen lagi..
LIVE PA is a groovebox.. HAHAHAHAHA!
^^
303 for life \m/
909 for life :P
808 for life!
klo organ tunggal live PA ga?
Kalo organ tunggal yg maen Richie Hawtin..gue mungkin bisa bilang live pa.
Tapi kalo yg maen Neneng Anjarwati..dangdut koplo sih mungkin tepatnya
wuakakakakaka !!
@ 7 : setuju!
kalo Richie Hawtin featuring Neneng Anjarwati gimana ndra? Live P.A dangdut koplo dong ya
brutaltechnocore, ted ;D
LIVE P.A ??
lebihhhhhhhh SERu and Gokilll..
MAknyussssss..
Sayang nya jarang bgt di indonesia dj" yg pake set TURNTABLIST abisss kaya DMC..ahahhaha
klo nge-DJ ngiringin debus live PA bukan?
Menurut lokh?
matamu van!!!, skalian aj tari serimpi feat tor-tor auto sync ama groove box....
ga jd ke papua sob's
re-post
ga jd ke papua van??
Quote from: teguhwulung on 12/11/08, 18:22
matamu van!!!, skalian aj tari serimpi feat tor-tor auto sync ama groove box....
ga jd ke papua sob's
colok kabel midi dari dancer ke groovebox gitu? waw
505 KICK ASS!! ( hail to RPS) hehehe..
@evan: cangkemuuu ndlogookkk huahahahahhaa
Cocote.. Hehehe *piss*
buat 7:
kalau Live PA tapi cover others song boleh kan?..
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kukukukukukukukukuk..
@teguh..
aku wis neng papua dub! hehe
@lintang..
nek ora ndlogok udu evan hehe.. ben ora serius2 malah koyo forum liane mengko.. hehe..
@all
fariz RM dedengkot live PA setuju ga? hehe..ato menurut kalian siapa si dedengkot live PA?
@wulu..
klo menurut kmu siapa de2ngkotnya? hihihi
anjroots...
fariz rm dedengkot FM sintesis.. tull ga pren?
mmm andi ayunir pengen juga seh.. tp mahal ga ya bro..?
heh cek event donkk.. aku tunggu kirimannya..
;D ;D *piss*
Quote from: teguhwulung on 25/09/08, 17:03
live p.a
adalah insinyur musik..hehehe
sebab dia nyusun beat, nyusun lead, nyusun line
meramu, menyuguhkan,
idem ama wulu dan teddy *tepuktangan* *tepuktangan* *tepuktangan*
yang ini gw sutuju banget !!!!!!! *bgs* *bgs* *bgs* *bgs* *bgs* *bgs* *bgs*
Sekarang, ada beberapa kemajuan di LIVE P.A
yang keliatan sih kayak R.N.R.M dan AGRI
jadi full band set gitu... tp seru bgt sih, elektronik tapi band, band tapi elektronik..
hayah....
tp klo saya lebih seneng duo or trio..
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http://ravelex.net/forum/index.php?topic=18518.0 (http://ravelex.net/forum/index.php?topic=18518.0)
panaskan lagi ayo...
trio 909 Warrior lagi yuk :D
Iman gmn? dia kan mau pindah dr jakarta..
ya udah jadi duo aja, kayak maia dan meichun gitu yuk :D
hah mecun!!???
ayoohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
iman msh d jkt tuh
myspace.com/electrofuxxx
http://ravelex.net/forum/index.php?topic=23270.new#new (http://ravelex.net/forum/index.php?topic=23270.new#new)
sorry, sbg org awam di dunia live pa, mohon maaf kalo sotoy.. hehehhe
Tp opini gw sih gini, pada dasarnya gak penting apakah dia maen ember sama gayung diketok2, atau dia pake full equipment set kayak chembro (brochis?), atau multi instrumen model DJ shadow (TT, sampler, pad, etc).. balik lagi ke esensinya dia pake itu alat2 sbg apa?
balik lagi ke gayung sama ember tadi, ketika digunakan sbg instrumen musik dan digunakan dalam kaidah2 musik, ya tetep aja live pa (mungkin experimental live pa, kayak einsturzende neubaten apa stomp, gak electronic live pa kayak temen2 disini). Boro2 itu, john cage bikin aransemen musik yg isinya cuman silence selama beberapa menit. Dan ketika silence digunakan sebagai instrumen, ya live pa sih mustinya..
sbg contoh lagi gini, katakan ada yg maen pk sampler tapi difungsikan bwt playback musik orang laen ( nampak mubazir tapi toh kejadian, ableton dipake ngedije? sampler juga kan?) plek2an di mix, ya dia djing, tp kalo pk turntables trus dia scratch, juggle, etc.. ini live pa..
jadi ya gak tergantung alatnya sih, tp tujuannya dia pake alat itu sbg apa? DJ or live performance?.. gitu sih bwt gw logic nya.. CMIIW yaa..
Quote from: Discomfort on 26/05/09, 01:50
sorry, sbg org awam di dunia live pa, mohon maaf kalo sotoy.. hehehhe
Tp opini gw sih gini, pada dasarnya gak penting apakah dia maen ember sama gayung diketok2, atau dia pake full equipment set kayak chembro (brochis?), atau multi instrumen model DJ shadow (TT, sampler, pad, etc).. balik lagi ke esensinya dia pake itu alat2 sbg apa?
balik lagi ke gayung sama ember tadi, ketika digunakan sbg instrumen musik dan digunakan dalam kaidah2 musik, ya tetep aja live pa (mungkin experimental live pa, kayak einsturzende neubaten apa stomp, gak electronic live pa kayak temen2 disini). Boro2 itu, john cage bikin aransemen musik yg isinya cuman silence selama beberapa menit. Dan ketika silence digunakan sebagai instrumen, ya live pa sih mustinya..
sbg contoh lagi gini, katakan ada yg maen pk sampler tapi difungsikan bwt playback musik orang laen ( nampak mubazir tapi toh kejadian, ableton dipake ngedije? sampler juga kan?) plek2an di mix, ya dia djing, tp kalo pk turntables trus dia scratch, juggle, etc.. ini live pa..
jadi ya gak tergantung alatnya sih, tp tujuannya dia pake alat itu sbg apa? DJ or live performance?.. gitu sih bwt gw logic nya.. CMIIW yaa..
hihihi.. ga kebayang klo turntable di routing midi.. vinyl-nya bisa sync ga yah???? *piss* *piss*
ooo.. live PA itu harus digital ya? ooo gituuu...
Quote from: Discomfort on 26/05/09, 20:34
ooo.. live PA itu harus digital ya? ooo gituuu...
hehe, ga juga sih.. semua di balikin ke background interest nya aj..
bedainnya simpel aja hehehe, kalo DJ muter CD, komposisi lagunya ga bisa diacak-acak lagi
Kalo Live P.A, bisa sekarang dimulai dari bassline dulu, besok mulai dari sample vokal dulu, besoknya mulai dari hihats dulu
tarik maaaaang :D
kalo difungsikan utk membuat sebuah komposisi, dalam artian memfungsikan cdj apa TT sebagai sampler, ya kayak turntablism gitu.. itu masuknya apa?
wah ndak tau tuh, ndak pernah make cdj dan turntable sebagai sampler :D mahal soalnye CDJ hehehe
uuuuuuuu I love live PA... lebih menantang! hehe.....
yg pasti seharusnya sih live PA ituh.. pada saat live ada midi yg di send ke hardware entah itu sampler, playback player, synth dan sebagainya.. pada saat live PA harus ada pattern yg dibikin saat live.. misalnya drum, lead, arp dan riff synth, live efek, yg lebih seru lagi kalo ada yg nyanyi. tapi saya keberatan dibilang live pa kalo hanya seorang dj maen deck atau mixing di laptop trus ada yg nyanyi.. dengan modal cewek sexi :(
Quote from: olis on 24/09/08, 14:11
Setahu gw ya Live Perfomance Act. Jadi artis main live band electronically or using instruments. Jadi bukan band konvensional, tapi cenderung ke electronic music. IMHO...
Contohnya DJ main live pakai tambahan instrumen laptop or keyboard dll.
Bisa juga artis drum n bass yang menginterpretasikan musiknya secara live band (dengan bantuan musisi lain di panggung), you know London Elektricity and Pendulum?..
CMIIW
Saya cuma mau bilang setuju dengan pendapat ini ;-)
Dan kebetulan, Sir Tony the Great man from LE adalah Favorit saya..
*cheers*
laip pi eh adalah playback make cd sambil tempelin artis suara mepet buat joget2 sambil karokean di atas stage , FML!!
Quote from: wiwied on 08/01/11, 20:41
uuuuuuuu I love live PA... lebih menantang! hehe.....
yg pasti seharusnya sih live PA ituh.. pada saat live ada midi yg di send ke hardware entah itu sampler, playback player, synth dan sebagainya.. pada saat live PA harus ada pattern yg dibikin saat live.. misalnya drum, lead, arp dan riff synth, live efek, yg lebih seru lagi kalo ada yg nyanyi. tapi saya keberatan dibilang live pa kalo hanya seorang dj maen deck atau mixing di laptop trus ada yg nyanyi.. dengan modal cewek sexi :(
saya menyebutnya karaoke, :D